Just Some Thoughts

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  1. OfficerDeadly

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    Oh oops sorry lol
     
  2. Warden

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    I'm gonna be brutally honest and just state what I honestly think.I have been on this server for two full years. I've been through all the flame wars, the drama, the full Monty cheese. But I think throughout all of that, I've never been afraid to speak out. Be apart from the pack. When I went on my break to another community, I missed a good bunch, when I joined back, Half of the people I knew were either staff and didn't speak to me, or had left. So it was like I was starting all over again. I felt like I was shunned from a community that I began in. There are people who are actually like me, that if they speak what they think, they get shunned, or picked on. Like a group of 7-8 year olds when someone has a new toy and you don't have it.

    And that makes me feel really upset, and sad. Because this server and community used to be really fun. You could actually be yourself, but at this point in time, it feels like you can't, and if you are, you're shunned.

    About the staff thing. It feels like Deja veu.. I strangely remember this being pointed out before and I never really saw anything done about it..

    Now I'm not gonna go onto one specific side for this, because I've never been a big victim like others, but I have had it happen, where I would ask if they could help with a problem and they would just completely ignore me, they would be talking in chat but I would never get a response to my message, so I would go and sort out the problem myself. Now that's wrong. Straight up, that is wrong. Knowing from experience of being staff on other servers, you never ever ever ever ignore a player. If you're busy, then it's understandable, but at least tell the player "Hey I'm busy at the moment, can you just wait a couple minutes please?". Why should you never ignore a player? Because it makes you look immature, and threads will pop up. It may not be your fault, but in the player in needs eyes, they will see it as the staff members problem.

    My final point is about the server and forums themselves.

    Again, I've been here for a good two years. Sure, not as long as some community members. But I've seen a lot, and I don't think the server has ever been unplayable until now. Yep, I said it. Unplayable. Because that what it feels like, it's like you're coming onto the server everyday/week/whenever and doing the same thing over and over and over again, why? because there is nothing much that you can do. If you're not good a surviving then that rules out 2 games already, then if you can't PvP, then that rules out 4. Can't build? Byebye 2 more. You're then stuck with HC, Craftroullette and MineFighter. That's three games that you'll eventually get bored of after about a week. Then what's left to do but stay in lobby and talk to anyone who's on. Yeah, sure, you can maybe start on improving your PvP and Survival skills, but that's hard when the world is either: already used up so you can't even walk in a straight line without dying or falling into a hole. Or there are so many people who are better than you that you can't even start climbing the PvP ladder because it's already full. Now, before this goes the wrong way, I'm not saying add more minigames or take any away, because you can add or take away as many as you like, you can't please everyone by doing it. All I'm saying
    is my opinion on how the server looks and feels.

    Forums wise, it's more about the infamous suggestions section.
    Now there are many pages of suggestions that haven't been looked at, some going back to a year. Now I get that a year is a long time, and bumping the thread would be a bit bad. But I think that if it's there to allow our voice to be heard, why isn't it being looked at often by higher staff?

    There are some threads that are on the first, second and third page, which gets some really good support but have not been seen by higher staff, or even some staff at all. Yes, there are some which do get seen, and are accepted. But I took a look at the suggestions forum to see how many suggestions weren't seen/accepted/denied. And finally I came to 94 pages.
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    One is half of page 1. The other is half of page 2. At least 3 of those suggestions are repeats or are ones that are needed.
    Yet I see no tag next to them, not even a lock sign.

    A message to higher staff: If you want our opinion then show that you do. Adding a suggestions section and rarely checking it is not going to cut it. Simple.

    Now something popped up while making this post and it caught my eye. The people above me. They're right. I have seen people complain that more staff is needed. and I know that thousands of applications are there, most are ready for staff, yet there are still people saying "We need more staff" "We are understaffed" If you say and know you are understaffed, then fix that and give the ranks to those who you know are ready for it. It's like me saying I'm hungry when there's a three course meal in front of me. The problem won't be sorted until there is something done about it.

    That's my rant done :)
     
  3. OfficerDeadly

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    You sir,you are the best
    Best rant i have seen
     
  4. cingle

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    I really don't see anything wrong with people having groups.
    Like me for example, I usually talk to the same people. If someone wants to join, we don't have to let them.
    I don't see anything wrong with a group of friends being in a channel and just wanting to keep it that way with just them in their channel talking. After all, it is their channel.

    If that were to happen, it would turn into a popularity contest. When choosing staff members, a lot of factors are taken into consideration. I really can't go more into detail on it than that.

    I know you are probably talking about me and my friends here. Most times we are in a channel with just us and some other friends and we're either watching a movie or playing a game or something. Most times if I don't reply to someone asking to join it's either because the sound doesn't go off on my teamspeak or I just forget to respond and by the time I remember it's too late for me to respond without it being awkward. If we don't want everyone on teamspeak joining our channel, there isn't anything wrong with that. Usually we're having private conversations as friends. We have a right to our privacy just like everyone else. We don't put ourselves on a higher level than anyone else - other people do this by starting rumors.

    Staff members are regular people. We are no better than anyone else here. Most times when people think otherwise it is due to rumors.
     
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    I understand the ignoring part, although I don't get the second part. From what I gathered, it seems you are making it out that if someone didn't want you in their TeamSpeak, it positions yourself higher than others?
    Well, some people (Including myself) dislike speaking with people on TeamSpeak when I hardly know them. I'd much rather getting to know them in messages first. Although overall, it comes down to whether the owner of the channel wants you in the channel or not. You really can't get mad at that. I too have certain groups of people that I hang around, but I don't understand how the people another person would rather be around concerns you at all.
     
  6. Joseph10003

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    I think you took what I said the wrong way. It's okay to have groups, but my main point was to address the whole ignoring part. I have been ignored when I have asked or messaged people on TeamSpeak before and it is not a pleasant feeling to be ignored.

    Also, you mention that if the way people were promoted changed, it would turn into a popularity contest. I beg to differ. I think that it would be better for the whole community to voice their opinions on who should be promoted next than to have a select few of staff decide. The way the system is right now is unfair. You have a group of staff choosing and to me the way some promotions are picked is based off of whether or not the staff team likes them or if they are friends with a few staff members.

    Honestly, the last post was not really attacking you and your group specifically. Also, you have every right to talk privately with others. My main concern is just being ignored. Like what if I needed help or I had a question. I feel life half the time, I would be ignored by most on TeamSpeak because it has happened to me before.

    Plus you said,

    "Most times if I don't reply to someone asking to join it's either because the sound doesn't go off on my teamspeak or I just forget to respond and by the time I remember it's too late for me to respond without it being awkward."

    This proves my point on how I have been ignored when asking questions in the past and not receiving help or answers.
     
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    I only don't reply in those situations if they just asked to join. If someone needed help I would reply regardless.
    If someone asks to join and I don't respond it's because I don't want to be rude and reply "no".

    It is not chosen by whether or not someone is friends with a few staff members. I can tell you that right now. As I said before, there are many factors that come into play when choosing staff members.
     
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    As you said, age doesn't matter. I am talking for the whole 9-12 year olds here when I say this, not just me.

    Why not just let us apply? Like why should we be ignored for applying, when some of us, might actually make a difference as a staff on the server. I know I know, "But troll apps will be made, ", but some won't, so why not just let us apply.

    If you are to give me a valid argument, I want at least 2 solid reasons.
     
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    See, saying no isn't any kinder than ignoring someone. That's like lying to them and saying that you're afk, or just sitting there and pretending like you don't care.
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    And like @Poppy830 said above, I agree with the matter of age. You know why age shouldn't matter? That's because there's a difference between maturity/personality and age. You can't expect anyone on Minecraft to be 1000% mature. If they are, that's annoying. And nobody has "AMAZING" listening skills, and traits that should be for staff. Minecraft is a game. If someone applies to be a staff member for a game, they should be considered right away. People seem to forget that this is MINECRAFT.
     
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    I totally have to agree with your points. I've felt the server getting kind of "boring" to me lately, so that's why I'm starting to do more things on the server. And with the groups, I have to agree with that as well. In my homeland of 'Creative1', there is so much exclusion it's not even funny. And I used to do that, so that's why I've tried my hardest to become more mature on here for my age.

    I agree with bassically everything you said.
     
  11. KokichiOma

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    Alright.
    Because I am the one who brought in this rule, I am going to explain the reasons.

    >1: Maturity.
    I'm going to admit, some 12 year olds are maturer than others. This does not mean, however, they are mature enough for the rank. Fair enough, there are also not as many 13 years mature enough for the rank, but as you reach your teens, you start to mature more, making you more suited for the rank.
    It is why we have a lot of older staff members too. Notice how we have more 16 year old staff than 13. Maturity is a large factor as it allows a staff to react appropriately in a situation.

    >2: Listening and understanding skills.
    I have a younger brother, so my understanding in this is somewhat backed up.
    Younger people have less understanding, and listening skills. We need these skills in our staff team, as if you cannot listen to instructions, you will be removed from the team. It is also a known fact that many younger players cannot handle their feelings well. If removed due to failure to listen and understand instructions, younger staff may react in ways that will result in ban for toxicity.

    So, in order to avoid problems, we set an age limit.
    I will state I believe I am one of the only people to claim these as the reason is because I gave them to begin with.
    If you have a problem, state exactly why and give me proof.
     
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    If I say "no you can't join" then someone will be like "Why".
    I don't want to cause arguments so I avoid it altogether. It's not the best way to go about it, but it's just me trying not to be rude and ending up being rude anyways on accident.
    I really don't want to talk more about myself on this because I'm not very interesting lol.
     
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    Just thought I needed to post this I guess.
     
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    fully agreed on this post.
    I'm having the same opinion as my friend here.
     
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    I'm sorry, but I don't think it is right to take your younger brother as the example given. Who knows, there might be some kids out there WAY less mature applying, but there might be some good ones to actually help the team. What I'm saying is that why are the kids that might be able to help be excluded because of their age. I just think that the select few that might be able to help should be given a chance to prove themselves.
     
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    I would appreciate if you took more time to read my statements as I did actually state my reasons against your arguments here.
    I also stated I would like proof of why you believe otherwise.
    Thank you.
     
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    Just read it over.

    If you look through my profile (on my Kindle so I can't post the link) I had a staff application open. I had a lot of support, but then got denied because I wasn't old enough... I'm sure this has happened to others, so maybe some of us don't have the problems you stated. If we never get a chance, then how will you know if we don't have the problems that you stated?
     
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    Click here to make a suggestion thread, sir.
    As to people being accepted because they have "staff friends".
    This is false. If this was true, why was I accepted.
    The only friend I had before my acceptance was @MappyTurtle.
    at the time, we were not that good of friends compared to what we are now.
     
  20. OfficerDeadly

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    I dont think suggestion threads dont get looked at that often maybe once every two months
     
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