Star Wars: Rogue One Theory [SPOILERS AHEAD]

Hi.
First off I just want to say that this theory is not my own, and it has been floating around the Internet for quite a long while now.
I simply wanted to hear everybody's thoughts about this theory now that the movie is out.

I would also like to mention that you can watch an actual video from MatPat explaining this theory here:

If not, you can read on.

Anyway, let's get to it. A quick summary of the theory; the Rogue One crew eventually turn into The Knights of Ren. How? Well, they get captured, tortured and forced to turn over into the dark side. The two main pieces of evidence for this is the way the trailer was constructed, and the concept art of the KOR in the Force Awakens concept art book.

Attached below are the five KOR straight from the book:


Notice; the first is called Heavy, and matches up almost perfectly with Baze from Rogue One. He has a shoulder pad on his right shoulder, exactly like Baze, which is used for resting heavy weapons. Next we have The Armory. This guy seems to have several features in common with Bodhi. He has lots of pouches, like Bodhi, and is represented as the kind of guy you'd go to for tools, which is very similar to how Bodhi is represented in Rogue One. After that we have The Sniper, which can be compared to Cassian. Cassian is seen holding a rifle in lots of scenes of both the trailers and the movie itself, so it wouldn't be a stretch. The Monk is pretty simple as Chirrut is a monk in the movie. In the scene of where we see the KOR in both the movie and the trailer, we can see The Monk holding a staff, very similar to how Chirrut does so in Rogue One. The final one, The Rogue, doesn't have much in common to Jyn, other than the very convincing name. It's quite weird that it would be a coincidence that this Knight would literally be called The Rogue, when in Rogue One Jyn can easily be seen as the one who is rogue.

Now let's look at the reasons this theory could be true, and the reasons it could be false:
Why could it be true?
- The number of Knights along with all the features seem to fit ever so perfectly with the Rogue One team.
- Why would Rogue One literally just be made to explain the way the plans to the Death Star were stolen? I feel like there may be more to it than just that.

Why it could be false?
- The Rogue One team would be quite old at the time of Force Awakens (but this still doesn't stop me from being convinced)
- The Rogue One team die at the end of the movie.

I believe there could be ways that the death of the Rogue One team could be explained, showing that they are actually still alive. I just think killing them off would have been too easy of an explanation.

Anyway, I would like to hear all your ideas on this.

Sorry for the long post!
Cheers.

 

oo, interesting lol

Personally, this would be an amazing plot twist and I'd love to see the Rogue 1 cast back in action (even if they are on the dark side now) as I freaking loved their characters in the movie. The thing is, I don't know how they would've survived...maybe they were revived by Snoke...if he's that powerful enough (this ties into the Snoke = Plaguies theory as Plaguies studied how to manipulate the midi-chlorians to prevent death *you know the deal*). All in all, this theory is really freaking interesting and I would not be unsatisfied with this at all if it does make its way to the movies.

 

Nah m8 they're all shit compared to that droid

 

It could be Snoke, you never know.
Or it could just be a major plot twist and they survived somehow. I mean after all, we never really saw them die. Let's not forget that the laser was not targeted at the tower, it was targeted somewhere in the ocean or off the beach, so Cassian and Jyn could have survived the impact. Bodhi could have actually hid or ran away, we didn't see him die. Chirrut could have just been unconscious. Baze is the hardest to explain, but he could have still been alive.

All in all, I'm too convinced to write this theory off. Is this really just a coincidence? I mean it just ties in too well.

 

But then there's the crowd saying Snoke is Mace Windu.

 

Well, Chirrut and Baze had meaningful deaths, and I think it would be a bad move to have them stay alive. Only Cassian, Jyn, and Bhodi's deaths are left to conjecture, but I highly doubt Bodhi survived the explosion, considering he witnessed the thermal detonator being thrown into the ship, and the resulting explosion had a big blast radius.

 

I also doubt Bodhi did an Anakin and burned out, but was saved by someone from the imperial forces, then given the Darth Vader treatment.
Of all those in the Rogue One team, Bodhi is most likely to be dead.

 

Of course all of this is solely speculation anyway. I still found it very disappointing that they killed off the entire team at the end of the movie. They took the easy way out, I expected more.

 

(If you have not seen the movie do NOT read this comment!) p.s. you have been warned!

I am confused about one thing. I am a huge star wars fan, and I want to know your opinion. So are they "The Knights of Ren" when they are the Rouge One team in the midst of stealing the plans? If so, how could Ren from episode 7 be the Master if the whole team died at the end of the spin off from the Death Star blast at the very end of the movie? I want to agree with the film theory and I absolutely believe that it could be true but there is no evidence in Rouge one saying or seeing these "Knights of Ren" uniforms etc. ALSO he was correct about Kilo being young or not even being born in the time between episode 3 and 4 so how in the cut scene of episode 7 the rest of the knights be with him, unless they are a new group with the SAME EXACT UNIFORMS. This is what I want to be answered.

 

What the theory says is that they are not the Knights of Ren at the time of the movie. What could have happened is that when the movie ended, the Empire went down onto the beach and searched for any remaining survivors, finding all the gang from the movie, barely alive. They are the Empire's only hope to finding the rebel base, so they take them and torture them, eventually turning them to the dark side. They could have then preserved them or something until they became the Knights of Ren. It could have went down like that, considering the Knights of Ren were formed before Kylo Ren joined them.

I have also found another contradiction to this theory. If I remember correctly, the Knights of Ren were originally Luke's students, but then they turned against him. This could explain The Rogue knight's name, as he/she could have been the one who went against Luke first. If I'm correct that they were originally Luke's students, then the whole theory of them turning to the dark side by torture wouldn't exactly make sense. It could just be a coincidence.

I'm still holding on to this theory, however. I need more answers, and I hope they come around soon.

 

I don't think that any Rouge One team members survived the death star. I would assume the Knights of Ren came after episode 6 because if Luke trained them and they turned against him, then there would be some sort of evidence in episode 7 but there isn't. If the Knights of Ren was a thing during the 6th episode then I would think there would be evidence there as well, But we do really know the whereabouts of Luke throughout the whole movie anyways, So I doubt that Luke was part of the training of the Knights of Ren ALSO I don't think that any of the Knights are Jedi and Luke would most likely train people to become Jedi not a team of assassins.