U.S. Politics.

Discussion in 'General Discussion / Real life stuff' started by Disgony, Jul 26, 2016.

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Who are/would you voting/vote for?

  1. Trump.

    20.5%
  2. Clinton.

    13.6%
  3. I'm moving to Canada.

    65.9%
  1. sraha

    sraha Donator

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    Oh no doubt about that I fully agree. I'm just saying that this current election, most of the kids complaining are too young too understand how it'll impact them.
     
  2. LaurentYuri

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    Not American, but as a Filipino looking at American politics, everything is quite horrifying. I'd like to weigh in with some of our experience, because it seems like some of you are not so aware of the international effects of American politics. I'm going in to help remedy that problem.

    From a purely intellectual view, America is a hegemonic country, and the reasons for that will make me digress from the main topic here. I'm not going to use the word "hegemony" negatively, look at it at face value and not of its implied meanings. The Philippines, a former colony of America and still a neocolony of America, will be one of the MOST affected if America decides to do this and that.

    OH NO, WHAT IS THIS DEAD, IRRELEVANT, AND OBSOLETE FORUMER SAYING????

    Americans are NOT aware of how they hold virtually much of the influence and power in the Philippines. As much as I despise the fact that America controls the Philippines with transparent strings, we still lean a lot on dear Daddy Murica. Our trade of goods (however scarce) is already at a terrible disadvantage due to the agreements heavily favoring America, and we could only export PEOPLE to compensate for our actually weak economy. I know the Philippines has its own problems to work out, I view our overseas workers as a living representations of the lack of jobs in here, but we can fix that in time, but if, say, Trump wins, a large chunk of our income gets wiped off since many of our OFWs work in America.

    Source of that honestly terrifying information: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-26/if-trump-wins-asia-loses

    However I'm not so aware if Bloomberg holds a very strong bias or such in your side since, well, I'm not American xD I was not able to find any direct negative effect on us if Clinton wins, unfortunately, but hey, if there wasn't any article on it.

    I'd also like you young Americans to consider the international repercussions that could come from your politics. Your country is ridiculously powerful that any slight change in your government already triggers massive chain reactions in the world, especially in ours where we have been brainwashed to copy everything American.

    Have mercy on your colony since 1898.

    And of course I'd think of my country first in this discussion because, well, we'll be royally screwed if your government fks up. We are still under America's heel, and while we're still fighting it please know to choose the lesser of evils for the entire world.
     
  3. KaiserVenom

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    I understand this from your POV, but I want you to take into account that if Hillary Clinton wins, the situation will be much much worse for Asia, and the rest of the world. I would recemmend you look into her as well, not just Trump.
    Much worse.
    That is just some advice I am giving you, all I am asking is that you acknowledge it.
     
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  4. vipa

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    I do have similar views as you do, as an American living in India, but either of the candidates will have negative effects on the Asian economies, Trump may affect foreign employment, and our economies, but Clinton will be not be much different.
     
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  5. LaurentYuri

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    I already said I wasn't able to find any reliable source if Clinton wins. I don't consider myself a scholar of American politics and am unable to read and translate into what that means for us specifically. I know both contenders have negative effects - personally I'd vouch for Clinton, but politically I don't consider my knowledge to be enough to support America. If I'm coming off as a hypocrite and only caring about my country, I'm only prioritizing it over all because we direly need the development and because I'm literally in school for Philippine development.
    Link me to a scholarly news article about Clinton's effects on Asian economy, and I'll gladly look into it.

    As I said above, please link me to scholarly views on Clinton's influence on Asia and I'll link it to my original post :)

    After all, all I'm saying is choose the lesser evil for your country and for your world. It's going to be a hard decision.
     
  6. ANumber2Pencil

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    Can you please tell me why it would be worse for Asia to have Clinton elected than Trump?
     
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  7. KaiserVenom

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    Common Sense.
     
  8. LaurentYuri

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    Oh, the fallacy of using "common sense" as a valid reason. What is "common sense" to you is NOT necessarily "common sense" to everyone else, especially if the other person comes from a completely different culture. In fact, there is no "common sense" universal to all peoples in the world.
    I presume you didn't bother to give me a link because you just thought I don't have "common sense" and frankly this makes me feel slighted. If so, well, I've already stated that I don't understand your politics much because my point of view is non-American. All I was asking was for was empirical and academic evidence why "Clinton is worse than Trump" so that it would be easier to digest to compensate for the lack of familiarity in culture.
     
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  9. KaiserVenom

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    Why are you trying to debate me as if I was referring to you when I said that?
    I was referring to the fact that the results of Clinton winning would obvious just be worse in all ways, and that is something that everyone should already know by know.

    As for you, I don't know why you went on a rant about that, but let me go into context.
    Clinton is quite frankly, the most corrupt person to ever try running for the presidency.
    I mean, she has already has, and still underway, two major scandals under her belt even before she is to claim the presidency. This is only the tip of the iceberg.

    Let me go into hindsight for you.
    Whatever is bad for America, is bad for the rest of the world, as you have said, so if this tumor is elected, your situation will only get worse. She may not have any direct policies against you directly, but just the effect of her touching the Oval Office will spark something much much worse for the rest of the world.
     
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  10. LaurentYuri

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    I mentioned that because it came off that you rely on using the concept of common sense to halt then and there without much elaboration that would spell the difference between understood and half-understood. Basic Philosophical Analysis. Let's not digress further and stay on the topic about US politics

    I know about her scandals. What I'm referring to is academic evidence that could illustrate better how it can affect us. Even if you tell me:
    "She may not have any direct policies against you directly, but just the effect of her touching the Oval Office will spark something much much worse for the rest of the world."
    I wouldn't understand it. Help me and the rest of the people who have no real contact with American systems understand through critical analysis. How does her becoming president affect the world? Provide specific examples. Just like a long essay. If my wording was hard to understand, then I apologize.
     
  11. KaiserVenom

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    I don't think I have to, this post sums it up pretty well, even if I don't agree with some parts:
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/16/trum...-that-could-happen-to-america-commentary.html
     
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  13. ANumber2Pencil

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    Wow you are just like Trump. You claim something and then just wont talk about it at all. Like Trump just claims he has a great Idea and that it will help america but when questioned about it he just says "It will be amazing for america" and doesn't go into any specifics about what he is even going to do! For example he claims he will take down ISIS but when questioned about his plans he responded by saying "I cant give away the secrets but they will work," and same with you. I ask how she will be worse and you basicly respond with "Just because" but can't seem to answer the question. "Just because" isn't a sufficient answer and shows you have no clue what you are talking about.
     
  14. KaiserVenom

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    Dude, I like you, but you've triggered one of my pet peeves. Trump and Hillary are both scandalous. There is no leaving out Trump when mentioning Trump. Hillary's scandals are more of a problem because she has been responsible for serious international affairs, unlike Trump. Yet Trump's issues should be red flags for the presidency. He has:

    1. Not released his tax returns. Hillary released hers. Does he have something to hide, being the first candidate in history to not release his tax returns.
    2. Owned Trump University, a for-profit college. For-profit colleges are notorious for luring in their students and making money while screwing over their students in the long run. In recent years, for-profit colleges have been collapsed by the government because of their practices.

    Let's be real though, Hillary sucks too.
     
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    I am aware of his scandals, but my point was about Hillary's, I did not think I had to mention Trump's. (albeit hers are much worse.)
    I agree with you in the most part.
     
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    I'm like casually reading this lmao
     
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  18. gippy

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    when 3rd party no exist



    Guys, look there is 3rd party! But really, Clinton is so much worse than Trump.

    Clinton: "Ignorant voters are the key"
    Trump: "idk border security l()l"

    She called her voters ignorant and then the dnc helps her. Sanders would be my pick, but he's gone, thanks to riggity rigs.
    Cruz was worst, why? His face really scared me.
    Trump, he is not understood. I mean like come on, all the Trump haters just know his wall, and Mexico's only problem is they pay for it.
    I personally would choose in a line: Sanders, Stein, Johnson, and Trump. Clinton was killed.
     
  19. ANumber2Pencil

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    Im still confused because the article you linked doesn't show anything to do with Asia and the effects either of the candidates would have on our foreign policy with any country in Asia. So I will ask you again, please tell me why you think Clinton would have a more negative impact on Asia than Trump. And don't link me an article but rather use your own words and actual reasoning.
     
  20. KaiserVenom

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    "Why are you trying to debate me as if I was referring to you when I said that?
    I was referring to the fact that the results of Clinton winning would obvious just be worse in all ways, and that is something that everyone should already know by know.

    As for you, I don't know why you went on a rant about that, but let me go into context.
    Clinton is quite frankly, the most corrupt person to ever try running for the presidency.
    I mean, she has already has, and still underway, two major scandals under her belt even before she is to claim the presidency. This is only the tip of the iceberg.

    Let me go into hindsight for you.
    Whatever is bad for America, is bad for the rest of the world, as you have said, so if this tumor is elected, your situation will only get worse. She may not have any direct policies against you directly, but just the effect of her touching the Oval Office will spark something much much worse for the rest of the world".