Let's talk about George Floyd.

Jesus christ, dude. Derek Chauvin held his knee on George Floyd's neck for almost ten minutes, including two minutes after he became unconscious. Take your logic and fuck off. Chauvin didn't shoot a gun "randomly".

Why? You've just mentioned all manners of legal jargon - yet an absolutely essential factor in the argument - is "irrelevant"? Floyd's death shows clear deliberation, Chauvin is holding him down innocently for such a significant time to easily reflect on those actions. By considering whether he knew Floyd, it can easily jump the crime toward premeditated murder (and therefore muh first degree murder).

 

based on their history together and chauvin's ignorance towards floyd's pleads for literal air, i think the video is clear enough evidence that this murder was intentional. 8 minutes, almost 9 where floyd was suffocated by chauvin's knee. and for around 3 of these minutes he was limp and dead. he didn't show a single movement. why the fuck would chauvin stay on top of him? the state dismissing this video evidence as "insufficient" simply isn't right. it's not a "fact of matter" it is something that most definitely needs to be protested and changed. this man deserves at least a second degree murder charge. he deserves to do the maximum time for this inhumane crime.

there's no justification for this. even police depts being underfunded is no excuse. taking a life for absolutely no valid reason does not require police training for an individual to know its wrong.. this is why i believe chauvin is sick.

the job of the police is to enforce the law and protect american citizens. i have lots of video evidence of violence beginning with the police. just yesterday some of my closest friends and family attended a protest in washington dc and documented pretty much the whole thing. one of my friends was maced and pushed into a fence by a member of the secret service for what... yelling black lives matter? what do you expect civilians to do? take the beating? take the violence? of course they are going to retaliate.

not once did i claim that only black people are victims of police misconduct. i said verbatim the following:

fair point. i agree

contrary to popular belief, social media awareness, protests, and even riots do DO something. prior to the video of not only the murder of george floyd, but another example, the central park dog lady, ahmaud arbery's murder, etc no one knew these situations occurred. i have many people in my community who are genuinely unaware of acts like such, and other forms of implicit racism even WITHIN our community because they are so protected by their privilege. it is embarrassing and sad.. but its a fact.

some other examples:

• the boston tea party
• the seneca falls convention
• suffrage protests

"change doesn't happen overnight. but when people band together, they have the power to make a difference." -mae cromwell

edit: excuse my french and ily scout <3

 

I know it might not seem like it, but it's so much smarter and better that they charged him with 3rd-degree murder. By charging him with 1st degree murder there is a large risk that there isn't enough evidence to prove it was premeditated and he gets off with nothing. Look at George Zimmerman, he was tried with 1st degree murder but wasn't convicted due to the fact that the evidence wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt. The max for 3rd degree is 25 years, and I wish the cop could just get life, but I would rather see him in jail for 25 years than spend no time in jail at all.

 

it's ridiculous that this shit is STILL going on. i am sick and tired of this injustice that occurs every. single. fucking. day. and the sad reality is that there's more that we probably will never see. or know of. and in response to the riots and protests ? it's about fucking time. also, i think it's worth noting that 'reverse racism' does not and will never exist. it's disgusting to see counter movements like 'all lives matter' trend when white people have NEVER been oppressed for the colour of their skin. it's directly trying to contradict the blm movement and attempt to belittle it. and quite frankly it's literally a form of racism. created probably by white supremacists.

 

As someone who lives in Minneapolis currently, the looting scares me. Stores are boarded up everywhere. There is no justification in my opinion to the looting and arson regardless of who owns the business. Target has employees who need the money, but what do they do now in a terrible job environment? Pharmacies and grocery stores are still boarded up, which were essential during the quarantine. Traveling is risky because roads are closed everywhere. It's a shame that anarchists and people who are not protesting are causing these issues. It takes away from the peaceful protests and the great work the community has been doing.

On another note, recently a semi truck ran into a large group of protesters on an interstate bridge two blocks away from where I live. I had friends who were there as well. This is enabled by news channels like Fox News, who have been brainwashing people these past few days ( I like to watch different news sources to gain more perspective, and Fox does provide better protest coverage because they want to paint them as criminals). Fox has been using the word criminal over and over to describe the protesters while showing coverage of peaceful protests and burned buildings. Thus, people watching it, who want any sort of justification to side against the peaceful protesters, take it in and decide to run over some criminals in their semi truck.

While I have lived here I've learned that Bob Kroll, the head of the police union is a huge Trump supporter (he was shaking Trump's hand at rallies) and racist. He is voted in by the police. He uses intimidation when people question his actions, and he is probably the reason the Minneapolis Police will never change. People should be burning his house, if any place were to be burned.

https://www.twincities.com/2016/06/10/minneapolis-police-union-president-bob-kroll/
https://www.motherjones.com/crime-j...ce-union-president-kroll-george-floyd-racism/

Also, over 90% of the Minneapolis Police live outside the city, which is ridiculous. Makes sense why some are racist or compliant to racism, being from rich white Minneapolis suburbs. Burning and looting the city doesn't help anyone because the cops are not affected.

@MC_Scout, the move to action is not necessarily a physical one, rather to show the racist people/cops in this country that their actions will not be tolerated. It is a unified front against the continuing racism people in positions of power display, which is driven by our president. While voting him out does not fix the issue, it gets rid of that huge voice that justifies white supremacists ("if Trump can say there are good people on both sides, then it's okay to run our mouth and do things that are racist").

EDIT: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-floyd-bob-kroll-cops-for-trump-a9538976.html
This article shows how Bob Kroll's words explain the situation we have now. The cops feel like they are being oppressed, which is absolutely ridiculous.

 

with all due respect i think that this message is extremely disrespectful. claiming that when "things like this" happen, diminishes what these "things" are. murder should NEVER just be dismissed as a normal occurrence. isn't it sad that you feel that way, or are regarding to situations as such in this manner? that is what causes anger to the black community, and anyone else who supports the movement. you cannot dismiss these issues as just "things" that happen. it's murder and absolutely racist murder. if the roles were reversed and floyd was in chauvin's position, he would most likely immediately face worse consequences than i bet chauvin will EVER face for his actions.

im going to quote something from your previous post that i wanted to respond to as well.

why do you think protests are occurring? don't you think that if it was as easy as said.. suggesting and proposing legislation to 'reverse' this discrimination and disgusting racism.. it would occur? BECAUSE of this racism, it is hard for people who can represent our community to get into positions where they can make such changes. furthermore, because of this racism, it is even harder for people to have the education they need to know how they can do so. this country is built on racism, and therefore does not allow for opportunities to poc, especially black people. this is why we have resorted to protests, and yes, whether you like it or not, riots.

the fact alone that with such evidence it is hard to prove just literally proves my point. this is why there are protests lol

who is our?

is it not clear to you that the message behind all of these protests is to STOP police violence against black people, and to begin taking the steps to remove institutionalized racism which is rooted in EVERY aspect of this nation?


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fun fact and also some very good news: target made an announcement claiming that they are fully capable of restoring the store to its previous condition, while both paying and supporting all of its employees for the time being.
https://corporate.target.com/article/2020/05/supporting-communities-minnesota-beyond

 

I will just say the only difference is when police get shot at, justice is served. There is no need for a protest because everyone agrees that the shooter is evil and should be put in jail. And every time the shooter is either killed at the site or apprehended and sentenced correctly. On the other hand, history has shown us that when police kill innocent people, they are let off. It's great to see that the cop was arrested in this instance but that is also due to the fact that this was filmed and received large media coverage. This cop had a racist past but no punishments were issued until it was brought to light.

Also another note, unfortunately for cops, being shot at and involved in crimes is part of their jobs. That's why I still respect the hell out of all the (good) cops out there, because they risk their lives for us, each and every day. I am just as sickened by the amount of disrespect thrown at all cops during these times, grouping a large number of people together and classifying them all as evil. They aren't. Most of them are heroes and are really great people. However, we need to work on better training and firing/punishing the minority of racist, evil, power-hungry cops in our country. Regular innocent civilians don't expect to be harassed, hurt, and killed by the men and women who were sworn to protect them. That is why you see protest when this happens, and not when cops get shot at. At this point, both are expected, but one of them shouldn't be.

 

some more of my thoughts:

• i don't agree with the acab movement nor do i distrust all cops. i have a lot of FRIENDS who are police officers. i trust them with my life. i am not against them and i never was. i am against the "bad apples on the tree" because as said above, cops sign up for their job. black people don't sign up to get murdered simply because they're black. the "bad apples on the tree" are racist cops, and no they're not only white. as seen in the video, the other officers involved in floyd's murder were of different races. they deserve to face consequences for permitting such behavior.
• i am not anti-white lol. i feel like a lot of white ppl feel targeted by such movements and strong opinions by poc because they feel threatened to lose their power. all it takes is for individuals to open their eyes and recognize their privilege. a lot of white people say "it wasn't my choice to be white" .. well it was never the choice of a black person to be black either. do you think if there was such a choice, any sane person would choose to be black? absolutely not. even white people have been asked these questions and have said no. that says they are consciously aware of disparities and inequality. it says a lot.
• and lastly, i 100% have bias lol i live in virginia and im black but anyways. i dont agree with violent riots. i agree with peaceful protesting. im not trying to argue (just in case someone thinks i am), im just trying to have a discussion. ive done lots of research and im simply stating my opinion based on that research.

 

Pretty sure the looting is just being overblown by the media. Violent protests attract more attention. Peaceful and wholesome shit like this is happening too:
NJ is doing it right

 

i completely understand and agree w that. i value my friendships and acquaintanceships w the ppl on this server. i come on here to escape the outside world and its problems so i can 100% understand that stance. even agree w it.

i can easily get carried away trying to discuss these things because they mean a lot to me and affect my life daily. its just hard to not talk about it when its all that happens to me, or its all people want to talk to me about. all my friends come to me when they want information on such topics and related ones. even my online friends. it gets exhausting.. surprised i even said as much as i did. but yeah not sure where im getting at with this

but yeah thank you for explaining that to me :)

 

Respectfully disagree here. Police are armed, yet the people they kill have been unarmed time and time again. George Floyd was held over a counterfeit bill? When I worked at McDonald's and found customers who used fake bills, I would tell my manager. Then my manager would ask them to leave or pay with something else, not call the cops. People can get counterfeit bills anywhere unknown to them. It was because of his skin color the cops were called, and the toxic police culture killed him.

Also, I disagree with what you say about Scout's post. There is a bit of whataboutism. Example:

The issue we are facing is not just about police misconduct with white people. Though I agree that we have witnessed police misconduct during these protests to protesters of any skin color.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020...ive-through-protest-marchers-on-i-35w-bridge/

This is what happened yesterday with a white semi-truck driver, who drove into a massive group of peaceful protesters on the interstate bridge very close to where I live. I had friends there who could been killed from the truck or from being stampeded while running away. This could have been terrible, especially due to the gas the truck was carrying. Supposedly it was leaking as well, whether it was intentional or not. Even after that, people defended the driver so the police could take him into custody alive. People who were being interviewed by news, my friends and others who were there said he was not cuffed as he was taken into custody. While police may have misconduct with all people, for some reason white people are treated better time and time again, even though the driver nearly committed mass murder of peaceful protesters.

The mayor of Minneapolis banned warrior training, yet the police union head Bob Kroll disregarded that as shown in my previous post with article links. There was action, yet white supremacists like him in power gave it the middle finger.

I posted links to articles about Bob Kroll and his antics that have been happening for years, and it is not just Minneapolis. I don't have proof, but I can guarantee there are Bob Krolls all over the country, hurting the community.

That's not to say there are not good police because I would hope the majority are. The issue is that the police vote on the union president, so Bob Kroll is being voted in over and over, so it's safe to say a majority of the Minneapolis Police are not willing to oust him. Thus, they are contributing to the problem. That's why ACAB exists (not that I agree with it) because by voting Bob Kroll union president, they are compliant.

 

I personally think that people should stop being racist and it would solve all our problems ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

omg i love lifeguards I almost drowned when I was 4 but a lifeguard saved me <3<3<3<3<3<3<3

 

You’re right I could have used a better example. The driver was lucky no one was injured in that game of chicken he played. People could have been hurt from being stampeded on. Not to mention he barely misses hitting they person at the end.

Also, my friends who were there that had to run out of the way said that they had thought he had actually killed people (they were not able to see what happened as they ran out of its way), which is why they were screaming to kill him. They thought he had committed mass murder. However, people guarded him still.

The road was blocked off for at least a few miles so there was no way he could have gotten on accidentally. Even then he didn’t slow down fast enough when u can see the crowd of people from far away.

He wasn’t even in handcuffs when he was taken by the cops into the car? This man nearly attempted to murder thousands of people, yet it’s fine to not handcuff him because he is white, but George Floyd needed them and a knee on his neck.