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  1. jdjfjcnfnck

    jdjfjcnfnck - Donator

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    Sorry for clickbait

    Alright, to start off, I'm keeping this thread joke free. Now for the real topic at hand.

    Some background information to start off; my school has a free period, they call it Bull Time. It's separated into two blocks, Bull A and Bull B. Most kids use one block to eat lunch, and another to work on homework, just hang out, etc. That's not important though. Now, on Saturday evening, something blew up on Instagram. A black kid had proposed the idea to peacefully protest the injustices towards African-Americans. I live near Charlotte, and as some of you know, there have been protests going on there for the past week. They originally started out peaceful, but turned violent after a while.

    Back on topic, a few black kids started the trend, saying they were going to protest during Bull Time. I'm not against this at all. People have the right to protest, and the freedom of speech. It's in the Constitution. These kids have the right to protest. The problem is, most kids at my school don't realize that. Black kids are outnumbered by white kids in my school at least 10:1, maybe even 20:1. A lot of those white kids are racists. They would never admit it, but it's clear that they are. The majority of these kids were calling the protest dumb, stupid, waste of time, etc. I agree with the one argument most of them used, that protesting during school wouldn't change anything, but the thing I found wrong about that was that kids were complaining that we were going to lose Bull Time. Basically what they're getting at is that these kids shouldn't stand up for their rights because they want to keep a free period. One kid complained that he would have to go home with tons of homework, and wouldn't get to spend time with his family. That was quite possibly the dumbest thing have ever seen. We get out at 2 o'clock. There is no way you're spending seven hours on homework. Some of the kids protesting don't even have a family, or part of one. I just think that these kids were being so selfish, valuing a free period over justice.

    Moving on to Monday, before school, we got an announcement that Bull Time would be cancelled for the next two days. This was an obvious attempt to stop the protests, as they didn't give a valid reason as to why they were cancelling it. Moving on to Today, we got an announcement that the school will be bringing in a guy tomorrow to give a speech about injustices to African-Americans and stuff like that. Once again, an obvious attempt to stop the protests. So now, the school is trying to take away the right to protest, which is against the constitution. People have the freedom to protest. They should be allowed to do it. I agree that doing it during school is not the best choice, but they have their rights.

    So I want your guys' general opinion on this. What do you think about the kids choice to protest? What do you think about the uproar on social media? What do you think about the school cancelling Bull Time, and bringing in a speaker in an attempt to interrupt the protest attempt?

    Thanks for reading this everyone, have a good night c:
     
  2. Darkstorm77

    Darkstorm77 Former M.od+ Donator

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    Common school injustice.

    I feel like if you spoke up in any way, it would literally be a waste of time. Why? Because really, they don't listen nor care. I hope that all this can be cleared up in the future, and maybe teachers get some common sense to see the big picture.
     
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  3. Jit

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    You and I have discussed this a couple times, but not the bull time thing. Honestly, if the kids would like to protest, that's their own personal decision. However, if they are leaving school to protest then I would take action on it. If the protesting is peaceful and not causing them to miss classes, then sure, let them protest I guess. Me personally, I'm not rascist, but I don't see their protests to be taken seriously by adults. Kids can have a voice too, and attempt to use that voice, but adults can act childish too, and that's when blowing them off comes into play, which is disrespectful.

    Really, I have no issues with the protests, but if it gets to be violent and/or distracting students by choice (starting protesting), then action must be taken. However, protesting is NOT always a terrible thing.
     
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  4. jdjfjcnfnck

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    To clarify, it's during a free period in the commons, so they won't be missing classes, and they said it would be peaceful.
     
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    Okay, no classes missed is good. Peaceful is good too. Honestly, I might sound like a stupid parent or something here but teachers might want to make sure it's "peaceful". That's not lack of trust, but the other protests were supposed to be peaceful too.
    If all above is followed, then yes, they have every right to protest.
     
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  6. KaiserVenom

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    To be fair, I blame the parents for not taking better care of their children.
    I mean, if they are literally racists, there is a very high chance that their parents don't really care that much for their children.
    And I know someone's going to take that the wrong way, and let me say, no, obviously said parents aren't racists, but it's simply a lack of care.

    I must say though, it's sounds a lot more selfish then racist.
    I can even argue on how most of those kids weren't racist, to me it sounds just like a major act of selfishness by your school's kids.
    Whatever though, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

    I would like to say first, that all of what I am about to mention leads back onto the orginal topic.
    So, BLM is a complete joke. [EDIT] And a terrorist group, but that's 100% my opinion.
    In my opinion, racism in America is at an all-time low and I really don't see the point behind all of these protests. Obviously, I never said it did not exist, but we live in a time to where it's almost been abolished.
    Anyway, BLM protesting in my opinion is just entirely hypocritical.
    The recent 'protests' in Charlotte was sparked because a black cop shot another black man that the media says was 'unarmed'. I think it's pretty stupid that BLM matter is essientially blaming white people for that.
    Anyway, I must say now, I don't deny police brutality, obviously, but it isn't a race issue. It's an everybody issue, regardless of race.

    Now back to what you were saying, your fellow Americans at your school are basically protesting racism that for the most part, does not exist. However I agree when you say they have the right to do it, by all means they can. I could care less.
    The kids at your school are extremely selfish for trying to deny them the right to protest, and it isn't good nor is it right.
    I personally think there maybe is a bit of racism involved in it also, because that would be stupid if I did not acknowledge that. Mostly though, I think they simply see through their race, they are just really selfish.
    IF it was out of the racism, I would be surprised. But since in your situation, these people seem to be not the best of kids, and I have no idea what exactly they were saying, so about the racism about your school I could be wrong, but I am looking at this from an outside view. Cheers my friend!

    ... I must say though, I don't think your school should have gone out of their way to stop these protests either, I don't think that is called for. Maybe they had a reason for it? I have no clue;I'm not in your situation.
    ~Venom.
     
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  7. MC_Scout

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    I've done a lot of work with this stuff and here is what I think.
    The rights at school are different then the rights you get outside of school. Schools have the right to censor or stop something that they deem is disruptive to the school day. A mass demonstration during school hours DOES qualify as such problem. In US supreme court case "Tinker VS Des Moines Independent School District" SCOTUS states that students can protest as long as there is not an immediate disruption to the school day. However as I said, I do believe that this is disruptive protesting. In addition the Tinker standard is only applicable in some states, as most states follow a different and more recent case: Hazelwood vs. Kuhlmeier. In this decision, SCOTUS says that anything that is not educational could be censored.

    One very useful website is the Student Press Law Center. They are a non profit group of attorneys that are there to help with Student's rights. They also provide free legal advice for students or teachers dealing with students free speech rights. If you truly believe this is an issue I recommend you contact them.
     
  8. jdjfjcnfnck

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    Starting about with what you said about these kids parents, I think that it's not the parents fault, it's the Internet. Don't get me wrong, there are likely kids who are racist due to their parents, but Kids nowadays are exposed to too much content that can be extremely racist and they find it cool, or funny. They don't tell their parents about what they look at on the Internet, so the parents are utterly clueless to what their opinions on race can be.

    With what you said on BLM, I somewhat agree. Sometimes they don't realize that certain shootings have nothing to do with race, but we do have to acknowledge the fact that blacks have received more punishment than whites. A white man can sexually assault a girl and get out of court, but a black man can face up to five years in prison for smoking weed. There are injustices that are right there in front of our faces. However, I do agree that people tend to take the racism issue too far.

    Other than that, I agree with mostly everything else you said :p

    I don't believe this would end up being an immediate disruption due to it being a free period, and a peaceful protest. It would only be a disruption if someone decides to make it a disruption, whether it be a teacher/student trying to stop and a fight ensuing, or a protester simply takes things too far.

    I doubt I'll contact SPLC, as I think the issue will be resolved sometime this week, but if it does remain an issue, I'll keep it and mind. Thanks for that. c:
     
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    Students don't have the same rights in school as they do outside of it. Protesting on school's time isn't something you're actually allowed to do. Just as you don't have the right to drop an occasional "fuck" here or there in school. They're allowed to protest elsewhere, as long as it doesn't interfere with someone's education. To my past sentence, even during "Bull Time", that's messing with their education. Doing homework allows them to comprehend at an extended range, which adds onto their education.

    As for the uproar on social media, it's completely stupid. If I can be honest, all the protests and controversial acts are STUPID. No matter what the fiasco is, it's stupid.
    These people aren't shot by police because "they're black", they got shot for being stupid. They didn't respect the law, they paid the price. The "price" isn't always death, but in these cases they were. What about the side the media doesn't show? What about the statistics? What about the FACT that more Hispanics, Caucasians, and other races that are shot? Why aren't black officers bashed for the same shit? Don't put a cop's life in danger, and they won't shoot. Simple as that. Do NOT quote me and tell me I support police brutality, because I don't.
    As for the group known as "Black Lives Matter", they're a group of ignorant people. Plain and simple, they only cause havoc when it's a white cop. Bullshit.

    I, under NO circumstances, want ANYONE to quote this post. If you have an issue with whatever I have said, deal with it.

    EDIT:
    It has nothing to do with race ONLY, no matter how you want to see it, you cannot prove it's purely race. White people have convicted crimes that set them on death row, and African-Americans have done equal crimes and received life with or without parole.
     
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