Just a discussion

I cant find the article, can you please link it?

 

Not sure where the article is. My mom told me about it today.
But that's besides the point. The point is, that this law is ridicules. It has happened and it will continue to happen until this law is fixed

 

What I do consider unfair is that when it goes wrong one time, all of the times a male could go into the female's restroom without raping or watching girls are forgotten.

It's exactly the same with letting refugees into our countries; thousands of them are decent, maybe five of them are terrorists. A big part of society then concludes: 'All refugees are terrorists, because look at these five people, they are also terrorists!'

So, what I'm trying to say is that if one person uses the law in order to do perverted things, it doesn't mean everyone will.

 

I understand what you're saying, but what I'm trying to say is that making this law, is pretty much an open invitation to letting creeps into the bathroom. I'm not saying all of them are rapists and perverted freaks. This whole issue would be cleared up if they would just make a trans bathroom or locker room instead of allowing men that can dress up like girls to go into the women's room to prey on women.

 

You think that rapist or pervs wont go into the bathroom anyway or wont rape anyone because now the law says they cant go in. The law also says you cant rape people but they dont seem to follow that so why would they listen to the law if it told them to go to the right bathroom.

 

You don't get it, do you. Making it so that trans can go into the girls bathroom is pretty much an open invitation to pervs/rapists to go in. All they have to do is put on a dress and some makeup. And they can casually walk in. Violating the privacy of women/children. That's what worries me the most.

 

But Pervs already do that when stalking. This law doesn't change shit in that aspect.

Also, if you can't source an article when asked, we can't really believe it and it hurts your credibility. Just a little tip for next time you post a story, example, statistics, ect. :)

 

I have a question...do you guys have private restrooms at your schools? I hear about this "restroom" issue a lot online and I really wonder because my school has private showers, toilets and stuff. All the schools I have been to have had this. Also, my school has cameras that sit facing the entrance of the restroom block just incase some bad stuff happens (it doesn't show inside and invade privacy). Adding onto this, my school isn't "rich". They just put our safety first.

 

Bare with me guys, I'm going to go deep into this.

With valid reason, of course.
Recently we've been introduced into this topic to analyse articles around it, and most likely will do an opinion piece on it next semester.
Oh what fun.

Also apologies if I misuse terms. I don't mean to, and if you would like, you can inbox me explaining why it is incorrect and I may change if I see fit.
Also in no way am I against the LGBTQIAP+ (This is indeed used) community.
I'd lose more than just the friends who fit into that community if I was.

I'm a very opinionated person, so therefore when a topic comes up where there isn't just complete yes or complete no, I happily jump on the bandwagon.
This means with this, I'm neither yes or no.
I don't believe myself to be a left or a right wing. Radical "feminazis" vs Stubborn old mules (Two extremes) are neither myself.
I used the terms above to describe the Australian issue at the moment.
It'll be something I reference a LOT as I go on.

Before I continue, I do and do not agree with Danny.
His views are correct, we shouldn't place both parties in danger due to bathroom issues.
If a boy who feels like his gender is female goes into a bathroom, there are two parties being placed in "danger".
Firstly, the comfort of all the females in the vicinity.
No offence, but I feel uncomfortable with females being the bathrooms to begin with, I don't think allowing a guy to enter would make me feel any safer, even if he wasn't to do anything.
Secondly, the male is placed in danger.
There are some cruel children out there. If a bunch of "bitchy gossip girls" see a male enter the bathrooms, there is a large chance they'll harass him over it.

To combat this, I feel the school should allocate a separate bathroom for Trans/Genderfluid/Intersex students to go if need.
This will allow for the T/G/I students to feel safer, and allow the other students to feel safer as well.

NOTE: I am not a fan of the usage of "Cis".
Cis has a very negative connotation to it. Very similar to the usage of "Faggot". (If this word is too offensive, I give permission for it to be removed, however since I am not using it to offend others I am using it)
Although "Cis" may be politically correct it is used very negatively, especially towards heterosexual, white, people.
Many of you may disagree with my statement, stating that because "we're" the majority means "we" have no right to disagree, this is false.
Albeit "we" are the majority "we" are no more special nor any less special than other "types" of people.

However, enforcing his views on his daughters is a little bit wrong.
He shouldn't force, but allow his daughters to decide when they feel so.

Now this is when I get into Australia's policy that is being hugely debated on at the moment.

Before you go, Mappy this isn't even related, oh boy it ties in.

http://safeschoolshub.edu.au/
&
https://minus18.org.au/

"Safe schools".

I'm going to state my stance on it.
I disagree with Safe schools.
I don't, however, disagree with the idea.

Safe schools claims to be an anti-bullying program designed for Year7-8's.
We watched 2 videos so far on this, both 20-30 minutes long.

The first one we watched was amazing, but I'll need to review it before linking as there are many swears in the video.
His basis was going through and stating all the (valid) issues with Safe schools.

The second video was 2 parties, 1 I somewhat agreed with against people that made me want to walk out in frustration.

I'm not going to go into detail, but Safe schools is a completely left wing founded ideology.
Roz Ward, one of the co-founders admitted it's pushing radical feminism and Marxist views.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...k=f60223c275005aae2d9d2c7fa80a3e8f-1463570584

Issue 1 was the bathroom issue.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...k=f60223c275005aae2d9d2c7fa80a3e8f-1463569224
This covers most of it, and more.

It covers a few more issues I am going to bring up to, including breast binding and genital tucking.
I assume we are mature teenagers who have no need for those words to be baby-ised.
However if this is not the case, again, I give permission for those to be removed without prior consent.

Minus18, a semi-funded by the government program, actually promotes chest and genital binding.
This wouldn't be so bad, IF, the whole practise itself was actually safe.

"It has the potential to be lethal".

Not only is this a bad message to send to youth, BUT IT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. THE FACT THIS IS A POTENTIALLY LETHAL METHOD AND IS SHOVED ALMOST OUT OF VIEW IS DISGUSTING.
calm down mappy pls

The effect that occurs for boys who bind is also very alarming.
Infertility.
Granted, not as bad as death however if a male who binds early on decides later in life to want kids, it isn't a possibility.

But back to the bathroom issue. I shouldn't go too off-topic, should I?
Cella White, the Frankston High mother who pulled her children from the school due to their involvement with Safe schools, stated she did not want Year12 (17-19 year olds) boys in a bathroom with her blind Year7.
Fair enough, seeing a boy, especially older in a bathroom when you're a female is scary enough.
Knowing there is a male present however not knowing where would be frightening.

Bathrooms are places where people are at their highest susceptibility to danger.
Allowing a person of the opposite gender to enter your gender's bathroom is dangerous for everyone, as mentioned before.

I'm sorry if you feel offended, but we can't change the majority entirely to fit the minority.
We can insert unisex bathrooms for those with T/G/I issues, but there is too much going on to allow both genders in each other's bathroom.

I shall continue this tomorrow, as I must sleep. I'm interested in responses, however if off-topic, feel free to inbox.

 

Any guy could have dressed up as a woman and done the same thing before this law was passed. And like I said, it's really hard to find privacy in a public place.

 

Only problem is by keeping this law it puts cis-people in uncomfortable situations. And laws like this should side with the majority, and its pretty clear that Transgenders are the minority in this case. Its better to have 1 million people upset and uncomfortable than 300 million people being uncomfortable.

 

Why can't everyone get along? That's life.

All I will say is that there are people out there in this world who do force their way of living onto other people which is wrong in my opinion and that's what gives certain people in these communities a bad reputation. It's something we cannot stop and we just have to live with it. We shouldn't succumb to the ways people are living by those people forcing you. It should be a life choice that you and only you should make. Those choices should be respected =).

 

I agree with everything else you said but that point is a bit... eh

Bathrooms in fact are a better place since they have no cameras, no/not many witnesses, and the victim is already vulnerable (pants may be down).

Also for people that prey on children, there are many higher elementary school kids and older in the bathrooms alone if they were with their mother/father (opposite sex parent). They are very vulnerable.

It may be your opinion, but for your own sake, avoid saying that lol :)

 

No, sorry this guy is 100% right. And before you say anything against it just picture yourself, 10-20 years from now when you have a daughter. Now do you really want her going to the bathroom with someone like this?

 

Yeah they could've, but people would've noticed if it was a guy dressed as a girl. But now since the law has been passed, even if they do notice, they won't think much of it, because transgenders are aloud in the bathrooms. This gives the predators/pervs a bigger chance in preying on women. Sorry if I didn't word that right.

And I'm not some transphobe. I don't really agree with what they are doing, but that's just my belief. I don't hate them. Nor do I think they are ALL bad. I'm only worried about the ones that now can freely walk into the women's bathroom/locker room whenever they please if they just put on a dress.

 

Why would they not think much of rape? That's a serious issue.

I agree that it does give people a bigger advantage though, I see your point.

 

Hmmm, I'm in the middle aha, mostly leaning towards disagreeing. He's right about half of the things he talks about, but one of the main things I disagree with is the fact that he said his daughter was born a girl, so he'll teach her properly how to be a girl. What if when she's older she discovers she is trans - she is born that way, meaning she can't exactly help how she acts and feels. Even if he 'teaches her to be a girl', none of it will matter if she's trans. In which case, I believe there should be uni-sex bathrooms.

But, there isn't proper LGBT+ education in schools, or at least in my school experience, and I think that having uni-sex bathrooms could cause a lot of trouble. There are a lot of stupid and disrespectful people in schools, and I think having these bathrooms could cause a lot of privacy issues and other uncomfortable cases.

So, I personally think that the bathrooms should really depend on the location and scenarios. I don't think there should be any laws attached referring to what is right and what isn't, but schools and other public places need to adjust accordingly. If there are problems around being stressed about simply which bathroom to go into, maybe they should be uni-sex. But if having these causes disrespect in general, they should be separate.

 

I wouldn't mind, actually. This person is completely harmless, telling from the video and the lifestyle easily interpreted from the video. The video actually made me angry, tbh. Not because of the guy himself, but because the video is all about the guy explaining his medical situation, and the only reason you posted it here is because he looks masculine, talks feminine, and has mentioned that he's trans. Now that's worthy of keeping your daughter from, if you ask me.

 

In my golf club, there are bathrooms for both genders, as well as some separate single room bathrooms anybody can use, originally, it was meant for the handicapped, but because those private single room bathrooms were popular with normal people, my golf club decided to put up an extra 15 private room bathrooms in and around the clubhouse. This is a very basic solution with very little negatives, any person can use the bathroom and lock the door, just like house bathrooms. I think implementing this to public places is the only solution without causing such a commotion, as only one person can use that bathroom at a time, and it can be anybody.