for those who voted donald trump

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  1. Praetor

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    Obviously, your definition of terrorist is off. Anyone who wants to fulfill their aims through violence is a terrorist. A word can not be stereotypically assigned to one meaning based off a google search.

    This is the FBI's definition of 'terrorism':
    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

    There are plenty examples of non-Muslim terrorists in our age: Marrysville-pilchuck high school shooting (I live in the same state, and I was definitely struck by terror.) What about the San Rafael high school shooting? Can you tell the families of the deceased that the shooting was not terrorism? No.

    I'm afraid you, and many of other people are forgetting that they're other people in this world than Americans. We have been fine-tuned to see through the media instead of through what is just. Since a major terrorist attack, 9/11 frightened us, we have never looked at our peers the same again. We made up with Cuba.

    I'm not saying that the ISUL extremists are just. In fact, I believe they need to be stopped. But, you can't judge a person based on the person next to them, nor can you judge a book by its cover.

    History seems to be repeating itself. This is segregation all over again. Let's say this was a reversed universe. You're on a plane, as an American, going to a middle-eastern country to see your father, before he dies. You're the only American on the plane, and everyone is staring at you uneasily. As you get up to go to the restroom, a man shouts, and the plain erupts into chaos. You are contained for 24 hours, and never see your father again.

    Although not as dire, another situation similar to this happened recently:
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/1...ms-kicked-off-of-flight-for-using-smartphone/

    People like Donald Trump, although he has done NOTHING as extreme as the holocaust, our turning us against ourselves. He is teaching kids that guns our O.K.. If Trump gets his way, kids will have to wear bulletproof vests to school.

    Here are several sources that prove you wrong:

    LESS THAN 2% OF MUSLIMS ARE ACTUALLY TERRORISTS

    Donald Trump is scared, and weak; That's why he wants to contain all Muslims.
     
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    Those "American Jobs" are all jobs people don't want, like working on farms, in factories, or just hard labor like Construction. These are the very BASE of american economy, and anyone who thinks that americans are just gonna jump to menial, low paying jobs really need a reality check lol
     
  3. Gooby

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    To add on, school shootings, and movie theatre shootings, and THE PLANNED PARENTHOOT SHOOTING that just happened recently. They are all terroristic attacks, and most of them are done by white people, but you never hear about those because the media is trying to shove it down our throats that syrian refugees are the only terroristic dangers that could come to us.


    Go awf!!!!!
     
  4. ANumber2Pencil

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    Muslim isn't a race first off and he isn't kicking them out. He is just not letting new ones in because of the high possibility of them being a harm to us.

    I haven't ever seen him personally say that in an interview or press conference. I really doubt that he said that but okay...

    So by building this wall he also is not going to allow them to apply for citizen ship? If so then I agree but this wall isn't to keep Mexicans out. Its to keep ILLEGALS out. How does anyone think illegal immigrants are good?

    You realize that he doesn't tweet much right? His tweets are mainly from his marketing company and are just to get more voters.

    So there for its okay to rape and kill? Are you saying because white people do we shouldn't get rid of anyone who does? Thats makes no sense, sorry!

    Really I didn't know the KKK were still killing thousands of people like ISIS and Al Qaeda!

    The reason all these illegals are getting hired at these jobs are because of minimum wage laws. Farms and Factories require large amounts of workers and for each one the owner must pay what ever the minimum wage law is for that state. Lets say its $8 an hour. Well then you have all these illegal immigrants that aren't tracked by the IRS and can be payed BELOW minimum wage like $3-4 an hour. So these companies can double their profits by just hiring illegal immigrants.

    As for the Terrorist. Sorry I was going off the connotation for the word as that is what really is represented in today's society. But I still have never heard of any Christian Terrorist groups that have had multiple terrorist attacks on america and other Countries such as ISIS and Al Qaeda.
     
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    You know it must be a great thing when there's a 7 page thread on JH

    The majority of those attacks, excluding the planned parenthood shooting do not carry a political agenda, and are based in mental illness or some other personal issue. Just the fact that people are scared, a natural reaction to death, does not mean it is a terrorist attack. Not to mention, we do hear about them, they just get ignored either to the fact they are minor shootings, with less than 5 people, are over reported, or do not carry that "OMFG WERE ALL GOING TO DIE" factor that certain tragedies bring. The media knows if they attach "white" to a shooting, people will jump on it, especially the left, and if they attach "Syria" to it, people will jump on it, especially the right. It's all a game for them, they don't care.
    http://www.shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

    The term "racist" carries no meaning any more, in my opinion. It just seems to be thrown around, just to devalue a person. A true ad-hominem attack. No one can provide any other examples because the term is so heavily disputed. The original meaning was "the judgment of a person based on skin color, race or ethnicity", but people throw all kinds of things pertaining to privilege, gender, denying racism towards other races, etc in whenever they want to. It just becomes a jumbled mess and is not supposed to be used on its own without proper context.

    It's well established Trump does't like illegal immigrants, or Muslims, due to applying a guilt by association rhetoric to them. Of course all illegal immigrants are not here to cause trouble, yes few are, but not every one of them. Of course all Muslims are not here to cause trouble, yes few are, but not all of them. This of course IS racist, using racist in its MOST literal sense. However, OP's pic is a logical fallacy too.

    1. Trump did not use racism to rise to power. Donald Trump has existed long before any of us, much less this presidential race, and was a popular real estate entrepreneur. My own mother even owns a book by him on real estate. He had his own television show called "The Apprentice", where contestants being "fired" was his slogan. Not to mention, Hitler used strong nationalism to rise to power, backed by prejudice against local minorities.

    2. This is different in context.

    3. This is a common slogan, as most political slogans are. Obama's was literally "Yes We Can". Can do what? Change America for the better.

    4. Trump is far right, obviously. He wavers sometimes, but he's a businessman, what he knows is to please his costumers, i.e Republicans, even if hes pissing people off. He's nationalistic, yes, but not fascist, calling him one is rather hyperbolic.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

    5 and 6. This is a mix of hyperbola and truth. Trump is controversial and traditionally racist. These are objective facts when you take emotions (political correctness) out of the equation.

    This thread garners so much attention because it uses a fallacy to group those who support Trump as "Hitler-supporters". It's not a proper argument, as its a lot harder just to present the things that Trump does wrong, compared to his competitors. There was a little something I would like to call out, merging on the side of philosophy here. If a person does a morally wrong deed, is he unqualified of being trusted for the remainder of his life? Many of you quickly cleared Clinton of her past transgressions, but used Trumps words against him. Is this right or wrong? There's no correct answer here, but it's just something to think about to keep your mind free from bias, which will allow you to be more open minded (btw open minded, not in the context of political correctness, but accepting opposing opinions and considering them)
     
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  6. MC_Scout

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    ignorance is bliss i guess
    I cant believe this but I agree with @Gooby said. xD
    Despite that I still think Trump does it just to get attention that does not excuse him from what he says.
    Actually chalk this one up for most of the GOP. Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, and Trump have all made discriminatory comments about Muslims.
    One thing I cant tollerate is people who are ignorant, but act like they know what they are talking about.
    The only thing here I can agree with is that Muslim is not a race. However what Trump said is discriminatintory.
    You say High possibility of Muslims being terrorists? No, not even close. As mentioned the last major atack from a confirmed terrorist group on us soil, was to my knowledge 9/11. The boston bombing does not count as it was an independent atack.
    ISIS has yet to atack America on the home land. San Bernardino was not actually endorsed by ISIS.
    Infact almost all the mass shootings are from non-muslims.
    Banning an entire religion from entry is a.) not possiable and b.) completely inmoral. You can be anti-terrorism, and not be insensitive about it.
    I would also like to point out that this whole "Christan Terrorist groups dont exist" is incorrect. We have the Ku Klux Klan, which is in America. There is also the Lords Resistance Army, whos leader is Joseph Koney, the number 8 most wanted man in the world. And the LRA has a pretty high death count.

    And with a 3 minuet search on google I found loads more.

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    Look my point is this:
    Terrorism is not confined to one religion. Like everything else most people follow there religion and you wont notice it. However some people take it radicly.

    The actions of a few do not represent an entire group.
     
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    Hey guys im from Turkey and I'm a Muslim don't let me get into your country or ill blow up your asses with bombs.

    Btw about the 9/11 attacks,
    There is a control tower that tracks the planes how the fuck didnt they notice two fuckin planes going out of theit route ...
    Like wow ?
     
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    They noticed, but the government didn't scramble any jets until it was too late, they thought the two planes were landing at JFK, and the other two in a similar situation.
     
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    there is no way you can stop a plane
    well you can but only if you had weapons like rpgs and i doubt they had that there
     
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    yeh and its not like they were going to throw a nuclear missile on that, the damage would have been the same
     
  11. Gooby

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    Actually the planned parenthood shooting was apart of the political adgenda
    The shooter was "pro-life",against abortion, which makes no sense to me because if you're pro-life you wouldn't go around shooting people.
    The mental illness is a thing used to try and make people sympathize with the shooter because he "wasn't sane"
    I don't care if he isn't sane he is a terrorist
    A terrorist is someone trying to cause terror to people through violence
    Even a minor shooting is a terroristic attack on people I don't know what you're trying to prove to me by saying it's not a terroristic attack because it is


    How come white terrorists are referred to as mentally unstable and not terrorists?
     
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    I said I excluded the planned parenthood shooting.

    They aren't considered terrorists because terrorism is a strategy used by radical groups to push a political agenda. If the KKK preformed an attack in some way, that would be a terrorist attack. Dylan Roof was/is a terrorist. He was pushing a political agenda. Mass murderers who kill due to mental illness or personal issues are simply mass shooters. Notice I said "personal problems". Not all mass shooters are medically mentally insane, but usually lack empathy in some way. They have some sort if issue with themselves or another person (depression/loneliness/ bullying) and take it out in a horrible tragic way. I'm not sympathetic to them. This is just what happens, and I mean this as objectively as possible.

    There's a context that tradgedies must be put into to say whether an event is a terrorist attack or not
     
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    No, it would have been worse, do you realise how big the explosion would have been
     
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    The difference between all the Terrorist you guys are talking about and Islamic Terrorist is that the white and christian terrorist don't all have the same agenda or reason for their acts. Unlike Muslim Terrorist who usually do it as a result of Jihad and do it because of their beliefs. Also these are Terrorist Groups. Still no one on this thread has named and current Terrorist Group that isn't Muslim. This is a big deal because by having a group like ISIS they can have multiple attacks compared to the one freak accident that happens when a white man shoots a bunch of people.
     
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    How about This group,or this one.
    Its been more then that.
    South Carolina, Oragan, and many more did not have islamic ties.
    As i sad ISIS has had zero atacks against the US.
     
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    The First group isn't an active terrorist group anymore and The Second Group has only 10 members compared to the thousands in ISIS. Also South Carolina and Oregon weren't related to each other, as in it wasn't one organization doing all of these attacks. Compared to ISIS with Paris where they mad multiple attacks in one day and also have had attacks on other countries in the past.
     
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    So its still the the entire Islamic religion's fault for what a few did? And for that ALL muslims should be banned form entry.
    Newsflash: America was founded on immagration. When Eurpoean countries came to North America We enslaved the native population, and then pushed them to the side. We killed way more natives then ISIS has killed Americans.
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    Also my point with South Carolina and Oragan is that most atacks dont come from Muslims.
     
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    So you're saying that you're going to discriminate based off religious beliefs? Islam isn't about violence; the majority of Muslims aren't even violent.

    What you just said was: If a white man kills 10 Muslims because he believes that Christianity is the only true religion, it's fine. Yet, when a Muslim kills 10 white men because he believes Islam is the only true religion, it's wrong?

    This is all stereotypical; The way Donald Trump is rallying supporters is by striking fear into weak minds. Once he has accomplished fear, he feeds them false information to fuel their anger.

    This is what people, politics, and the media typically assume about a gunmen, based of race and profession (Sadly, this is what comes with a world of stereotypes):

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    All people are fucking equal. It's not religion, race, or community that makes you bad. It's your fucking actions
     
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    Different religion equals different fucking rules and consequences. It depends on the outcome, that's all.
     
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