Issue | Effort?

Hmm, where to start.

Believe it or not, I actually cried while making this thread. I might have exaggerated several points, but seeing these things describe below happen, just seems intolerable to me.

If I see another one line comment on this thread, I'm reporting it.

For the people who disagree with what I've mentioned within this thread, start a private convo and we'll talk about it there, without flaming.

Welcoming people who actually have a point, and would spend some time elaborating on it.

I've noticed alot of comments on certain threads, which could be very abusive to the OP, (original poster). Also noticed alot of comments lacking the 'effort', and are just made to get post count...
And, that is the main point of this thread. To start off, here is an example, of a thread which the comments make no sense at all. No offense to anyone.

http://www.itsjerryandharry.com/index.php?threads/my-application.3050/
Note the number of 'Lack of effort posts'. Those are redundant, and there were 4 out of the 17 replies.
Redundant posts have no meaning, and they are generally spam in any means.
That is not the main concern. The actual point is the Effort.
@MappyTurtle's post, how would you expect a nine year old, to put as much effort into an application as yours? That assumption is ridiculous.
Not judging Teolicht's posts, as he is also only 9, and is learning things.
@Oli B, you've put lesseffort than the original poster, so in my opinion, you have no right to say that that person has put no effort into it.
Neither was @Teddie's first post on the thread.
Which is how I find certain threads considered 'Rude', with comments from people who do not understand the full situation.
All I'd be glad myself, is that the original poster tried, and made an application. At least he tried, knowing that he'd barely get the job. Not judging the maturity of any person.

Ofc thats not the only thread, there is at least two more to go.

http://www.itsjerryandharry.com/index.php?threads/staff-application.3241/page-2
This. Is. Ridiculous.
no, not the original poster being crazy and nuts, its the amount of useless replies.
Lets count. 1, 2, 3 'More information' replies. Thats not outraging.
Lets see on how many effortless, as in one sentence replies are there: 1, 2, 4, 6 replies.
Lets see how many offensive, rude, or plain wrong replies are there: Four. Lets decode the latter.

If you met a 11 year old in real life, and he hands a little story to you for you to read, I bet your response will be way different than what this is.

Apparently ignores his age.

I'd rather the OP get mod, than seeing this guy getting mod, and put more pathetic responses on other people's mod apps.

What if, I said that English, was the second, or third language of the original poster. -_-
Again, at least, He Tried.

Oh, and check 20 of the suggestion threads. Try to find three not contaminated by super short 'I agree', 'decent suggestion', 'I disagree' posts.

I've been longing, longing to punch someone in the face for this act, or continue pursuing the goal of getting those players warned. I still have no idea on how the server tolerates harassment like this, as this is just ridiculous.

Editing this later, but I really am longing the response of the majority of players on this server.

 

Flare, I'm happy that you made this thread, I think that most people will think about it (Including me). Of course, effort is always pleased, and these examples on "My Application" are quite sad. I think it's brave from these 9/11 year old kids to make a application for staff, and these applications made by them is a lot of effort for their age. And guys saying that 9/11 year old kids aren't responsible, that's actually bullshit. Their brain is still developing, so is mine.

And yes, sometimes my posts are also a bit short and no I don't do this to raise my post count. Post count won't make you special or something, Its just a number.

 

Honestly, thank you for making this thread.
I've always felt like it's best to think before you post, instead of just posting one word posts. I constantly see posts such as "lol" and it drives me almost insane, to be honest. It adds nothing to the thread and might as well not be there.
And occasionally, I do post smaller post, but I try to use the non-existent "30 character" rule for my posts. It keeps them less spammy.

 

I apologize for the post I made on that kid's application. I realise it was a bit unnecessary for me to put it like that. I am 13, and I have matured a lot since I was 11. If I made an application for something when I was 11, it probably won't look too different.
Once again, I am sorry. Hopefully the poor kid didn't get upset by it.
I literally feel sick at how rude I was.

And thank you for making this thread. I should stop posting on threads that don't concern me. I was only trying to help, but sometimes you can and help a little too much to verge on being extremely rude.

 

I'm surprised you did not put me in there for the unnecessary rudeness i've done to some people. I am still thinking about what I've been doing and seeing that your 12 and your doing this is awesome! Your younger then me too and that's a good thing. It tells me what I should of been like when I was that age. I can see you getting really far from what you did today. I have said useless stuff in comments too(though I do not post farm) and I regret that. I also regret the rudeness I've done to people lately and seeing this thread helps me a lot to make better decisions so thank you a lot for making this thread



~Davy

 

Apologies for my useless and damn right frustrating post on this kid's staff app, I was unaware people took this harshly and I apologise for upsetting you, I hope you are not angry at me anymore. You clearly have a much larger brain capacity than me (and I'm 23), it's great you brought this up.

 

Does anybody else feel it's time to get someone chosen as moderator rather than keep this section open? They only ever seem to be dividing the forums apart. ItsJerryandHarry don't seem to be recruiting anyone, and leaving it wide open for more and more requests.

 

A variety of applications have been sent off to J&H as a Mod said to me. The reason people aren't being recruited is because of other server problems, like the severe bugs on SG.

 

First off, I'm going to just say that I am guilty of these one-word sentences on both mod apps and non-apps equally. However, I don't do it to bump my post count - to me, that's just a number. I'm an active forum member - I'm on here almost every single day, traversing the multitudes of forum threads. I just choose to post on things that I find important.
Second off - What you have just done, Flare, is amazing, and sadly, it is so true. We really need to spend some time thinking about what we comment - and factor in important factors such as country, age, many things into our comments.

 

This is a stroke of excellence.
The forums needs to become mature, not make tiny posts like the ones that are seen here all the time. An I've tried to point it out.
I pointed it out on Silent's application. I even sent a slew of links. He denied them all and didn't change.
And then on Teddie' application? He sated that he is respected because of the amount of posts that he has. It's an atrocity. He posts tiny posts without a care about the thread for the SOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING MORE POSTS. It's insanity. And there are more...
I believe that a moderator should ban those who make spam posts for a few days. And if they really believe that having more posts makes them better... I suggest having their post count reduced by half, or even completely.
Perhaps that could improve this place.

 

This is ridiculous, why would you report people, it's not against the rules, people can put short comments if you've got nothing much to say, it's not effecting the server. Totally disagreed :P

 

No, it's not affecting the server.
It's affecting the forums, and its making it words. If someone doesn't have much to say, then why say it when it can be called spam? That's the philosophy here.

 

Oh I get what you mean, because some people have something like 'Agreed' but they never say why, yeah it should be ban-able, yeah thanks. ;)

 

I agree with you, but there should be an exception for this on the "Forum Games" section. It's pretty obvious, so I won't describe it. Another exception should be when you don't need much information, you can quote it and make a short message, as an add-on to a larger post. If this wouldn't work, there would be lots of redundant posts.

Add on: They should make a limit for posting 10 messages on forum games a day. There should be a small limit, at least. Post count++ isn't a big deal, but lots of people make a deal out of it.

 

I remember the time when they used, and used to cut post count off forum accounts. That was 5-7 months ago...

It's a shame, that J&H still think that post count is merely a number to some people, as it is highly proven otherwise already.

I would actually say, that I may get hypocritical on this case at some point, but it has been a pain to not point this out. Not after me reporting several short posts about 3 weeks ago, but seeing entirely no punishment.

@Davy, I was actually going to include you from some other thread, but it went off topic and I didn't mention it. Don't worry, it wasn't about your comments though.

Achieving the goal to get the rank 'Moderator' is now understandably hard, as it does take a certain amount of time for J&H to recognize your abilities. If, there was someone who'd devote themselves, to clearing the forums up a little from the 'spam' posts, I think it would actually also erase the reputation of 'immaturity' that some people have in the concept of hearing J&H. Not me though, I cannot manage that.

There is actually one more issue, which I'd call the 'Spam' qualification, and I'll briefly go over that until I get home afterschool today. This is basically what a person qualifies as 'Spamming', and what else is not. This is not judging moderating abilities, its' the ability to judge whether a piece of evidence is spam or not, or whether the comment is deemed useless.

The diversity of what everyone so calls spamming, can range from Two lines of chat, or up to 5 lines in a row.

The diversity of what is included as spamming, can include useless characters and sentences, and also be ignored by others.

It seems that I've made this thread after demotion, still can't really get over it...

 

In the overall idea of this thread, I'm just confused. Comments are comments. Each and everything we write doesn't have to be the equivalence to an essay or test answer. I've said this more than one time, but as long as you get to the point of the comment, it matters not whether it is a sentence, a few or even one word. Repeatedly, yes, it could become as issue, but like mentioned by one of the Owners and someone above, post counts are just numbers, they have no big meaning.

 

Well, guess what? It is done repeatedly. That's what makes it an issue.
And like I said in regard to the post count issue, there are in fact people who care utterly about post count. That's what makes it an issue.

 

The people who care need to get it into their heads it doesn't matter too much. Post count is a number.

 

Well, until they do, this is an issue.
And it's already spam, to a certain degree. No one wants to see tiny insignificant posts on a thread. When you post a thread and see a one word reply, how is it possible to feel actually appreciated for it? It's not easy, since it's impossible to convey feelings in one word that anyone could have said.
It has more issues than benefits to not have one word posts. They aren't beneficial I'm any specific way. That's why they shouldn't be allowed.

 

It's not the quantity of your posts that is the problem, its the meaning, the usage, how much it will affect the thread in general.

Random useless comments, with little to no thought at all, that is the problem. Though they may be relevant, they serve no use to "progress" the thread further.

That is the problem.