Should Trump Build the Wall? Vote here and discuss.

Should Trump Build the Wall? Vote here and discuss. I think he should build it.

 

I don't agree, I believe that men & women have all the rights through different group.

 

Well written response.

 

My grammar isn't really the best.
I'm trying to say that even though some men & women are a different group. That shouldn't be a reason to ban them.

 

Yes there is a reason to ban ILLEGAL immigrants. Keyword ILLEGAL. There are illegal Mexican immigrants who come to the USA to commit crimes. It has happened too many times, and illegal immigration is illegal immigration. We shouldn't let illegals into the country.

And then get deported afterwards.

 

My thoughts (keep in mind, I'm 12 and dumb as shit, I know jack. express your opinions if you want with a reply):

I want to start off with the point of illegal immigrants doing crimes. Not all illegal immigrants commit crimes. In fact, everybody in every type of group commits crimes. Whites, blacks, asians, natives, everyone. If Trump were to build a wall, he would literally have to find a way to block out EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY. Yes, maybe a lot of it IS from Mexico and native countries, but you could have some Swedish/Irish guy come in with 7 kilos of coke and - judging by the current view - could literally just get into the US. Whereas some guy named Jose who worked at a taco stand for 5 years to eat and have a box to sleep in, who could never even afford drugs in his life try to get into the US - and, once again, with the POV of Trump - could NEVER get into the US. Why? Because of the wall. So not all immigrants will bring a pound of coke with them.

Secondly, you could literally just take a plane over the wall. It would take... decades, ever so possibly centuries to build a wall so high to the point where a plane (usually being 39,000 feet in the air while flying) couldn't pass it. Plus, Trump is like... 70 right? So he would probably die before the damn thing got built. However, this is only if you can afford a plane in the first place, so judging by illegal immigrants, this part is a little invalid.

Lastly (this part is pretty much entirely Shadow's post), judging by recent data, US born citizens are more likely to commit manslaughter, rape, assault, all types MORE THAN IMMIGRANTS (legal and illegal). Has Trump even looked at this data? He would barely be blocking... what, 5% of crime? For the US (320 million citizens), that still is a lot (and, I'm WAAAAAAAY off on that one, I know that damn well), but if you want to stop A LOT of crimes in the USA, you'd literally have to ban a good majority of your country.

So, in summary, it's pointless, time-wasting and more of a problem creator then solver, and even if you were to, it's pretty much useless.

Once again, if you'd like to correct me on something, go ahead. I don't give a shit, I'll change my view. Just remember, I'm 12 and I don't know jack cock about politics.

I bid you all a good day,
ass~Ken

P.S - Trump isn't gonna do shit. #kanye2020

edit: also, aren't mexicans known for digging under shit? idk, my mom told me that. so they could probably just dig under it too xD

 

If we are admitting illegal immigrants, the US needs to open up buffer grounds, to redirect any illegals to there. The purposes of these areas would be to determine if the immigrant is fit to properly enter the US. They should be assessed on their ability to learn English, to contribute to the country, and to be able to adopt the American traditions and customs. If their criminal record shows anything bad, it's instant deportation, but if they're clean, they can be given a chance at citizenship.

 

Oh boy Mexicans are gonna catapult over

 

Not if we send them back with trebuchets! DEUS VULT!

 

No, it's a flawed idea.
My numbers might be incorrect, to lazy to go check actual numbers but he said it would cost between 7 and 14 billion.
It will of course cost way more than that. Estimates are 40+billion. If not more. And like Jerry said, it won't stop them from coming anyways.
And think about the maintenance this wall will need, people are constantly going to vandalize or try to destroy it.
It might be a wonderful and great idea on paper (not even that in my opinion) but it will never work.

Also did you just make a new account @Only2Genders so you could make threads like this anonymously?

 

This is a nice way to start a war.


Okay first off, here's some important questions I will ask you. You most likely need to answer because of the possibly offensive comments or replies you have currently given:

What difference are you trying to point out with the term illegal?

Aren't they still human like everyone else?

How exactly would you know any of that?

Do you ONLY suggest that "illegal Mexicans" commit crimes in the USA?

How many times?

Without any information claimed from online, please elaborate what crimes they have committed and be very descriptive.

What exactly do you mean by this statement? Elaborate please.

So we should never let people see their families that move to the US if they are illegal?

In a way, aren't we all illegal since Natives were the first ones in the US?

Isn't the United States known as "The Land of the Free"?

What if they have a rough life back where they origin and want to come here to have a life with hope in their lives?

What exactly did they do to you to make you hate them?

Do you know the true meaning of this song?

Why are you considering banning people from having a good or better life away from where they originally were?

Do you really believe he should or are you just going by what he says just because he's a man who ran for president and won?

Aren't we out of money because of one of the presidents?

As stated above, what good will that come to? More heartbreaking moments for kids and families together? More Racial Inequality?


End of my questions.

Please answer all of them before replying to me or quoting this.


Everyone should be treated equally and be allowed to live in the United States no matter what. These actions that some people commit are TAUGHT not INHERITED.
Nobody is a perfect human. We all have issues and we can all work around them.
There is no reason we should turn down people who want to join our ecosystem.


Please think before acting next time. Actions speak louder than words.

 

EDIT: I am not very familiar with forums, so my response to all your questions are in the orange thing where it says click to expand. To be clear, it looks like that guy wrote it and I am quoting it, but I just put my responses under his questions.

Well this is a lot. I'll try to reply to as many as possible.

I just felt like discussing, because why not?

Boat rides and plane rides will cost money, and they would be deported after they arrive, so that would be a total waste of money. The wall may be a lot of money, but it will not allow people to just walk across the border. How will they destroy the wall? And if people try to, that only proves my point about illegal immigrants.

 

Some of those questions you left unanswered.

Also due to your answers,
I will no longer ask you any important questions if you will not take them seriously.

Kind of best to see what's been going on recently in the world now and also check what has happened in the past before coming up with a decision.

 

Sometimes I answered more than one question in one paragraph, that doesn't mean I did not answer it. And a lot of the questions you asked were already answered, one was asking me why I feel a certain way, when I do not feel that way you mentioned. Why should I take questions that I already answered seriously? You also asked questions that were did not have relevance or importance, but I answered it anyways, and when you did ask me for evidence that was already provided, I provided extra anyways.

 

The fact that you made a joke about violence that can lead to death or the harm of many casualties proved to me you didn't take this seriously.

You did provide evidence. The evidence given mostly came before the beginning of 2017. Results have altered since then.

These would be considered vital questions if you understood what the history of people we see today. There's many books, movies, and people that can let you know about it.

The different races of people still get treated differently. There's those who still treat races as lower superiors.

 

Boat and plane rides do cost a lot of money, Especially the illegal ones. Take for example the immigrants coming into Europe paying thousands to pretty much board a raft with 150 others. This doesn't stop them from doing it, neither will flying. I don't know much about it, but I don't think they'll fly into the country using a common airliner, no probably a farmers plane that will drop them off over the border somewhere secret. Not at a big airport with security checks etc.

And as of right now, you don't just ''walk across the American border'' There are many documentaries out there that show the process, whilst some get over easier than others they all take the risk of being killed in the process.

Nothing can't be broken, whether people start chipping away at the wall using a spoon or heavy equipment the wall can very easily be damaged.
Look at the state of America right now, there are huge groups being formed against the president so you really think his wall will be left alone?
Construction will probably be under attack all the time, increasing the build time of the wall for years.
Once a portion of the wall is done, they will probably immediately try to damage it vandalize it, or just find a way around it.
This includes immigrants, but also people who already live in America and are against this wall. Like I said, it's a flawed and BAD idea.
Personally as of right now, I can never see this work. His plans of ''making mexico pay'' are delusional and empty promises.

Also, if you're actually new to the forums that is fine. But if you made an alt account purely to talk about topics that stir the pot like this then that's extremely weak and cowardly.

 

I did not create an alternate account, I simply feel like discussing.

If they find a way around it, then they'll just be deported. Stricter immigration laws will keep them out. If people try to destroy the wall, that only proves Trump right. In short, because Trump said that there are illegal immigrants who come to start violence, and trying to destroy the wall, or attacking the construction workers proves that we need stricter laws. If people from our own country try to do the same, they should immediately be put into custody. Security cameras can be placed by the wall to make sure people are not trying to destroy it.

I asked for what point he was trying to make since he mentioned America being called "Land of the Free." When I put that quick part at the end, I used that to show what liberals are essentially doing. It doesn't matter if we did not mention it earlier. But keep ignoring my other points I made, and pretending like their too stupid for you to respond to, when you simply just don't have good counter arguments.